The Chicken or the Egg, 

DNA or Protein?



Sean D. Pitman M.D.

© October 2005








The letters D.N.A. stand for Deoxyribonucleic Acid.  DNA is the informational blueprint of all known life forms excluding the questionable life forms of some viruses that use a similar chemical blueprint structure called R.N.A. (Ribonucleic Acid).

DNA consists of 4 basic sub-units called nucleic acids (Adenine, Thymine, Guanine, and Cytosine).   Each nucleic acid has a specific binding pair (A-T and C-G).  These come together in the shape of a ladder twisted in a spiral that is commonly called a "Double Helix."  Any letter can be next to any other on the poles of the ladder, but an "A" will only connect with a "T" across each "rung" or "step" of the ladder  (Likewise a C with a G).  

These basic units of DNA, when arranged in specific orders and functional sections along the poles of the ladder, are called genes.  Each gene contains a message or "code."  These codes are read by specific groups of proteins that decode the message contained in the various DNA sequences of A, T, C, and G.  The proteins that read the DNA make a single stranded "working copy" of the DNA called messenger RNA (mRNA).  This process is called transcription.  After mRNA is made, several other different groups of proteins read the mRNA message.  

These proteins that read the mRNA bring together single protein units called amino acids and attach them together to form a new chain of amino acids that, when folded properly, becomes a new functional protein (after some complicated modifications).   Note that only twenty different amino acids are used by almost all living things to make proteins.

Practically all living cells of all creatures on this earth form all their proteins in this manner.  Proteins are the functional units of the cell.  They make the cell able to work.  Most functions of the cell depend on proteins to perform them - to including the creation of proteins to begin with.  In fact, as has been very briefly detailed, proteins make themselves by decoding the information contained in DNA that tells the builder proteins how to make themselves.  Every single step requires energy in the form of a molecule called Adenosine Tri-phosphate (A.T.P.).  Not just any energy form will do.  The cell can only use ATP to perform useful functions.  It is very picky.  And, interestingly enough, ATP is also created with the help of very specific proteins.












In the very first cell (assuming that there was a “first” cell) what came first - the DNA or the protein?  Of course, the protein that reads the DNA is itself coded for by the DNA.  So, the protein could not be there first since its code or order is contained in the DNA that it decodes.  Proteins would have to decode themselves before they could exist.  So obviously, without the protein there first, the DNA would never be read and the protein would never be made.  Likewise, the DNA could not have been there first since DNA is made and maintained by the proteins of the cell.  Some popular theories about abiogenesis suggest that RNA probably evolved first and then DNA.  But this doesn't remove the problem.  RNA still has to be decoded by very specific proteins that are themselves coded for by the information contained in the RNA.  Obviously both DNA and/or RNA and the fully formed decoding protein system would have to be present at the same time in order for the system as a whole to work.  There simply is no stepwise function-based selection process since natural selection isn't even capable of working at this point in time.

Just like the chicken and the egg paradox, it seems like the function of the most simple living cell is dependent upon all its parts being there in the proper order simultaneously.  Some have referred to such systems as "irreducibly complex" in that if any one part is removed, the higher "emergent" function of the collective system vanishes.  This apparent irreducibility of the living cell is found in the fact that DNA makes the proteins that make the DNA.  Without either one of them, the other cannot be made or maintained.  Since these molecules are the very basics of all life, it seems rather difficult to imagine a more primitive life form to evolve from.  No one has been able to adequately propose what such a life form would have looked like or how it would have functioned.  Certainly no such life form or pre-life form has been discovered.  Even viruses and the like are dependent upon the existence of pre-established living cells to carry out their replication.  They simply do not replicate by themselves.  How then could the first cell have evolved from the non-living soup of the "primitive" prebiotic oceans?  

This really is quite a problem to try and explain.  After all, what selective advantage would be gained for non-thinking atoms and molecules to form a living thing?  They really gain nothing from this process so why would a mindless non-directed Nature select to bring life into existence?  Natural selection really isn't a valid force at this point in time since there really is no conceivable advantage for mindless molecules to interact as parts of a living thing verses parts of an amorphous rock or a collection of sludge.  Even if a lot of fully formed proteins and strings of fully formed DNA molecules were to come together at the same time, what are the odds that all the hundreds and thousands of uniquely specified proteins needed to decode both the DNA and mRNA, (not to mention the needed ATP molecules and the host of other unlisted "parts"), would all simultaneously fuse together in such a highly functional way?  Not only has this phenomenon never been reproduced by any scientist in any laboratory on earth, but a reasonable mechanism by which such a  phenomenon might even occur has never been proposed - outside of intelligent design that is.

This is just one little problem that must be overcome to explain the existence of the very first living cell.  According to the theory of evolution, the first living cell had to have been formed by mindless naturalistic mechanisms that defy all the known laws of nature.  Natural law says that all inanimate matter desires equilibrium.  Homogeny is the ultimate goal of nature, even with the input of large amounts of outside heat or disordered energy from the sun (just try heating up a collection of organic matter and see what happens - all that will happen is that it will become hot homogenous ooze, but nothing much more complex than this). 

The most simple living cell is almost infinitely far away from chaotic homogeny.  Every living cell is at an extremely high level of meaningful informational complexity and yet just one of these amazing machines, which still cannot be reproduced by science, just happened to come together even before “natural selection” was even theoretically around?!  Come on now.  Is this a rational theory?  Consider the fact that the simplest living cell is far more complicated than the best supercomputer in the world today.  And yet many believe that such a cell assembled itself in the primitive ocean soup of this Earth just a few billion years ago?  Really?  Would anyone believe that a supercomputer could assemble itself in the shifting sands of the earth's primitive deserts even given trillions of years?  Of course not . . .   but why not? 

All the building blocks for a supercomputer  are there mixed up in the desert sands.  Volcanic activity, lightening, and wind could provide the necessary energy for construction. What's the problem then?  Homogeny.  Homogeny is the problem.  Parts do not assemble themselves in a non-homogenous way that is very far beyond the sum of the collectively functional/meaningful information contained in the individual parts themselves.  This just doesn't happen via the normal mindless processes of nature.  Pre-established information and directed energy from an outside source is needed for the assembly of parts that produce a function that is very much greater than the informational sum of the individual parts.  It is the pre-established order of a living cell, to include the pre-formed information contained in its DNA that allows it to be what it is.  If brought together randomly, the individual parts of a cell would never self-assemble themselves into the form and function of a living cell regardless of how much outside energy and interactive potential was provided to the parts. 

It would be like taking millions of watch parts and shaking them all together for a billion years and expecting a watch to self-assemble just because all the necessary parts and required energy are there.  After a billion years, or even trillions upon trillions of years, would anyone really expect something even close to the functional level of a watch to be formed by such a process?  How then are the molecules that form a living cell any different?



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. The God of the Gaps                                                           . Rube Goldberg Machines  

. Evolving the Irreducible                                                     . Gregor Mendel  

. Natural Selection                                                                  . Computer Evolution  

. The Chicken or the Egg                                                         . Antibiotic Resistance  

. The Immune System                                                            . Pseudogenes  

. Genetic Phylogeny                                                                . Fossils and DNA  

. DNA Mutation Rates                                                            . Donkeys, Horses, Mules and Evolution  

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.  Early Man                                                                                . The Human Eye  

. Carbon 14 and Tree Ring Dating                                     . Radiometric Dating  

 . Amino Acid Racemization Dating                   . The Steppingstone Problem

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